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SLAV 512, October 16, 2003

 

Their questions

 

Assigning tale texts &endash; the tales themselves

 

 

INCANTATIONS AND CHARMS

 

Zagovory &endash; the power of the word

Representative power in general

 

Topics of zagovory &endash; what are they about

What do the seek to accomplish

Under what circumstances are they used

They are also called zaklinaniia

Called molitvy by the folk themselves

 

Zaklinaniia on Minyonok video

 

Now &endash; not that much used except those that have general currency

Can be spoken by anyone, not just specialist

Though theoretically all are available to all people

Example of general currency &endash; ikota (the hiccup charm)

 

Current serious purpose &endash; again called molitvy

In context of day-to-day behavior and prayer

Under special need circumstances &endash; egg ceremony

Wax ceremony

 

CD examples &endash; Kliaus

 

Old type zaklinaniia have a certain structure &endash; Ryan

Translated examples also in Ryan

 

 

PROVERBS AND RIDDLES

Proverbs 1st &endash; what are they and what do they do?

When does one use them?

 

English examples

Contradictory proverbs

 

To codify and encapsulate in an ambiguous situation

Right course of action is NOT clear

 

Good fences make good neighbors

Analyze

 

2 proverbs one in opposition to the other

Out of sight &endash; out of mind

Absence makes the heart grow fonder

 

What sort of circumstance, behavior would prompt the saying of these proverbs?

Has to be questionable behavior

 

He who hesitates is lost

Look before you leap

 

These explain an upsetting circumstance through traditional wisdom

Proof/confirmation of traditional outlook

 

 

RIDDLES

 

As games for children &endash; to teach

What kind of knowledge?

 

For ritual purposes &endash; to test and make sure that someone is part of the same culture

Used in weddings

Reflected in tales &endash; riddling episodes as male/female contest

To test suitability for marriage

Used for testing in general &endash; as password

US military

Russian and other

 

Riddles as part of jokes &endash; for kids and adults

What is black and white and read/red all over?

 

What do you get if you cross X and Y?

 

Pretend obscene

 

Teaching aspect

Teaching culture

Certain outlook, perspective

 

Aspect of play in teaching

Teaching through practice

 

 

TALES

 

What are they?

What belongs in this category?

 

Basic &endash; animal

Magic

Everyday life

 

On to legends/fabulates/memorates

 

Are tales still told?

In US?

Elsewhere ?

 

Compare airline poop legend and snake husband tale in terms of function

Both narrate things that cannot be said

They say them in a round-about way

 

Tale-like narratives on TV, in movies


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