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SLFK 211, Tuesday, November 5, 2002

 

Last lecture &endash; tale patterns which are very powerful because they are right on the verge of consciousness, as Jung puts it

 

Actors who mirror parts of the self; Jungian archetypes

Patterns of action which might well derive from patterns in the exploration of the self, of one's own internal, mental reality

 

Most folklore is right on the edge of conscious awareness

You are aware that you should do/say something

You are aware that it is important, meaningful, but not sure why

Tradition tells you the what and the how

 

Your job as a scholar is to work on the why

 

Recall the transmission by custom and practice

You get information

But not in the usual way

And you are not fully conscious of what you got or how

If you had to teach someone else, you would have hard time explaining

Would need to show, as you were shown

 

With stories, in addition to the story, you are getting all sorts of information

Bettelheim says it is information about growing up

But what information is it &endash; you are not quite sure

Feels right, and that is about all you can say

 

What about for adults?

When they are interested in tales, or in tale-like stories

They get help with putting things right

Comfort

Opportunity to express

Tales are the one place where you get justice

Where things work out as they should

 

What makes tale so effective in accomplishing the tasks of expression, comfort?

Jung and Propp

The archetypes and the patterns of functions = the move

 

Interesting thought that it is material in the unconscious that this structured and patterned and regular

And the conscious is where the chaotic resides

 

Before discussing unconscious as the structuring faculty, show that patterned and structured material is comforting

Rocking, as in a rocking chair; just plain rocking if you are VERY upset

Knitting

Playing solitaire

 

Discomfort of break in pattern

Americans THINK that they want things that are original and iconoclastic

What if things got moved around in your home?

Or you were not allowed to sleep or eat at normal times?

These are forms of torture

Putting cat's, dog's dishes, pillow in the wrong place

Or even moving things around the house

 

Freudian legacy equates the unconscious with chaos, with subversion

That is where the rebellious forces of the id and the libido reside

Structure is good and structure is in the conscious

Actually, unconscious is the part that is regular and patterned

The unconscious is the structuring faculty

 

Consider all of the things that you learn and when you really learn them, you do them with no conscious awareness

In fact, conscious awareness of what you are doing impedes your use of your knowledge

Examples: driving a car

Typing

Speaking a language, where native or learned, but esp. the latter

 

The sort of story that you deal with in folklore is the unconscious story

Where you are not quite aware of what is up

And that makes it all the more powerful and effective

 

Story is powerful and effective

Through archetypes

Through functions

 

And you are not quite aware of how it all works

It is right at the edge of consciousness

 

Use to express personal issues

The narrator in an oral situation

There is an element that is personal

There is an element that is collective &endash; interaction with the audience

Pleasing the audience

 

The writer writing own versions of a tale

No audience except an imagined or desired readership

 

Zipes looks at various written versions of the tale of Puss in Boots

If you know things about the writer, each version can be shown to be connected to that writer and the issues important to him

 

What is more, there should be a difference between a tale that is written on the basis of oral lit and a tale that is collected

A collected tale should reflect the oral situation about as closely as is possible in written form

Should be collected in an oral situation and rendered as faithfully as possible

 

But many things that we assume to be collected tales and thus close to true folklore are not

He gives examples of the Grimm's version of Hansel and Gretel

 

Zipes discusses the various versions as progressively rationalizing the abandonment of children and Wilhelm Grimm blaming the woman for the horrible deed

 

So, lots of folklore in general and folktale in particular collections are not collections at all, but rewrites, akin to the Puss in Boots stories, or the stories of Perrault, where he admits authorship

 

Afanas'ev actually doctors what he gets considerably less than the Grimms do

 

Lesia and me blamed for NOT doctoring

 

What happened to my book of Ukrainian tales

 

Consider also the power of the first

As in the first collection of tales that you encounter

Creates expectations that then set the pattern for your ideas of what should be

 

In addition to tales, there are certain stories that have gained the status of tales

They may not be oral

But have become traditional in that they are seen as part of our cultural heritage

Example would be something like Pinocchio

It is a story that everyone knows, the way all people know the basic story of Little Red Riding Hood, or Snow White

It is a story that has been told and retold

Probably not orally, but in written version and film

It has acquired the status of a traditional item of culture

To a certain extent, people feel free to modify and create variants

May not have all of the traits of folklore, but has lots

 

Here, too, we can see conformity to the issues of the person or persons who are doing the retelling, even though the story is not personal, but traditional, seen as part of cultural heritage, not the property of the individual

 

And probably we also have the inability of the audience to recognize that there is this element there

This is Zipes' point

 

When you get stories that are tale-like but NOT based on traditional material (folktales) or stories that appear to be traditional (Pinocchio type)

You get some sense that there might be an author present, with his or her own intent

Thus, with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

There is a bit of a hint of a basis in legend, namely the alligators in the sewers

But mostly you realize that it is a story invented for TV (and later for movies)

 

When you are dealing with something like this, audience might be more WARY of author bias or author intent

 

When you get a story that is based on folklore

Or that has become traditional (Pinocchio, the Hans Christian Anderson stories)

You think you are dealing with tradition rather than a person

And that you have the corrective of something like the oral situation

 

Well, we went through how Zipes shows all this to be wrong

 

Now add commercial intent

Selling the story

Selling of items connected to the story

And you have the culture industry

 

Disney, and later Disney studios, make stories/films based on folktales

Snow White

Beauty and the Beast

On traditional stories

Pinocchio

Sorcerer's apprentice

Pocahontas

Little Mermaid

On things that seem to be traditional like Lion King

 

These things seem to be audience-centered

Again, Zipes is setting out to show that this is not so

That these stories serve the interests of Disney (or whatever other member of the culture industry)

Not the person who buys the movie ticket and later the DVD

Or the Pocahontas chocolate

Or the Little Mermaid panties

Or the Lion King lunch box

 

What about elsewhere?

America is the number one exported of the culture industry, though, I think that Japan is coming close

And culture is America's number one export

 

Well, to a certain extent, there is a Disneyfication of the world

Popularity of Disney characters in the former USSR

Also of Barbie, Lego, Ninja Turtles

Show Nu Pogodi

 

Then there really and truly was a culture industry in the USSR

Its goal was not commercial, however

Rather creating the Soviet man or woman

 

Concept of the artificial negative

Viewer (or other audience/consumer) is distracted from the intent of the author

By the power of the story

By the false security that the story is traditional and thus tried and true

And thus audience rather than author oriented

 

There is also the false pleasure of the seemingly negative

Subversive

Countercultural

 

You watch cartoons, you think that you are being naughty

Hey, I'm not learning, I'm being entertained

 

The subject matter of cartoons or films may seem controversial or liberated

In Beauty and the Beast, Disney version she is intellectual and likes to read

In Roald Dahl's Little Red Riding Hood, she turns the wolf into a fur coat

 

But both of the latter are CURRENT cultural norms

They may not be the norms of the tales in their earlier incarnations

But are the norms now

 

In terms of subversion, look at Simpsons

Counterculture or no?

How about Southpark?

 

Folklore, and more successful popular culture

Seems very risqué

And offers the pleasure of flaunting social norms, disobeying normal restrictions

And always confirms the norms and restrictions in the end

 

You are about to look at urban legends

Deal with all sorts of risqué topics

 

Sex &endash; the purloined kidneys

AIDS Mary

And say that you should never ever engage in recreational sex

 

Even vague possibility of a sexual tryst is wrong

Parking Lover's Lane

Staying over Thanksgiving in the dorm

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